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In my second number session, I did spell everything out.

I forgot about Borg's acro. Guess he is better all around, except when money is tight, but it never is.

I just did all of that in excel while I was writing the post. Waiting for someone to host another game, of course.

Zero ~ "*Uses the same old argument over and over without attempting to dispove Razor's argument.*"

It's k, Zero. You might be a youngin or something.

Nigma: I don't really want to do it, I just did it.

Evo ~ "I was giggling" I don't doubt it, cutey-pie.
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Razorphilia wrote:


Zero ~ "*Uses the same old argument over and over without attempting to dispove Razor's argument.*"

It's k, Zero. You might be a youngin or something.


I was not aware one could disprove ignorance, oh well. EDIT: Took out pointless flaming of Zero.

Borg (2SCap)
1 (mana) / .076 (nans) * 2.487562 (evasion) = 32.73

HO (1SCap)
1 (mana) / .11 (nans) * 3.571429 (evasion) = 32.46

HO's only advantage is his +2000 storage. Borg has +8eps though. If you have to take all of the damage at once, the HO is better, but if you take damage over a long encounter (like nem) Borg is better Sad. Not counting regen, bats, or surge, HO wins easy though. Smile

I guess if Borg wasn't the best tank, it wouldn't really have too much going for it. Maybe if PS was free, or if Stor Gen always gave it's +eps, or if adv gen was like blitz and got better per point... but it looks like the HO isn't for tanking. Oh well.

I have a r11 Healer Triage Pyro. That's a pretty noob build. Smile Borg also has the eps from cluster rockets integration, also you have completely forgotten how nice ff is to save you in a tight situation. I completely included the eps from cluster, and back up bat. FF is great too, but it isn't being included. Borg already won anyways. I'd have to work in their innates. Minis can take hits themselves, and the HO gets free bats. It's too hectic. I'll settle with the Borg winning.

The main point was if goon or surv or acro was best for tanking, and acro wins by a huge margin. So whatever class you are, if you're tanking, get acro.

I also have a chem reliant / chemistry HO. I normally keep 3 tats and 4 buffs on him. 5% less xp the entire game is pretty noob.
Razorphilia wrote:
The main point was if goon or surv or acro was best for tanking, and acro wins by a huge margin. So whatever class you are, if you're tanking, get acro..


You didn't do Gadge + SC vs Acro w/out SC (HO) because you're not getting that SC early on due to stupidity (and next to nobody keeps pill pouch) (and head inj. > 120int) Head injury < 130 int ... buy up to 130 int or take other precautions.

and we dont throw pillpouches away senselessly many of them are lockered so they can be retrieved late game and be used if desired.

How does borg have 8 eps on ho? 16 from advanced gen - 8 from plasma sheild = 8 which is the same number that the borg has with maxed rockets. So unless your including items outside of those already accounted for (s.caps and mfg's inside borg) borg has a 2 eps advantage from integrated shield cap. and thats only when actually tanking. Ho's turn off shield between encounters bringing their eps above a borgs.

@stealer that calculation has been done a thousand times. I dont know the numbers off the top of my head but im sure you can find it if you look for it. I think enigma posted the calculation about 8 months ago. I think the extra regen is coming from the backup batt.

Another thing to consider is that Borg has higher in, putting mkii vests and mfg+'s in reach. HO can achieve that as well, but for the cost of valor. i honestly cannot see how this thread hasn't been locked like all my other ones yet. Indeed.
bshipsrule wrote:
i honestly cannot see how this thread hasn't been locked like all my other ones yet.


Despite that we're straying directly from the main topic we're side-discussing about why acro is a noob build Smile

Anyways, i just did a search for all posts by NmdSnprEnigma with a keyword of gadge (0 results) and Gadgeteer (4 results) none of which were about acro vs gadgeteer It hasn't been locked cause while it's off topic, it is constructive (somewhat). Besides if red locked every thread that went off topic, there'd be nothing be locked threads. People don't bother creating new threads for an issue that comes up, so then the thread side-tracks and normally never gets back. Besides, this thread never had much of a dialogue before this discussion, so it's kind of an improvement. http://www.redscull.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3864&highlight=nanite+efficiancy

Topic happened a while ago but it was link and bfish doing the math. This is the thread.
ahunter75 wrote:
http://www.redscull.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3864&highlight=nanite+efficiancy

Topic happened a while ago but it was link and bfish doing the math. This is the thread.


thank you.

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Now this I find relevent.

Shield Cap HO with gadgeteer at 60% evasion
level 19: 15353

Regular HO with Acro at 72% evasion
level 19: 11434 (34% less than with shield cap at 60%)


I win, gadge > acro. I hereby propose a sibling law to Godwin's law.

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As a Swat Forum discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Acrobat or HO vs Borg approaches 1.
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